{"id":9176,"date":"2010-11-02T13:17:47","date_gmt":"2010-11-02T11:17:47","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.floracantabrica.com\/?p=9176"},"modified":"2010-11-02T14:21:29","modified_gmt":"2010-11-02T12:21:29","slug":"%c2%bfse-esfumo-la-izquierda-en-estados-unidos","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.floracantabrica.com\/?p=9176","title":{"rendered":"\u00bfSe esfum\u00f3 la izquierda en Estados Unidos?.\u00bbHe vanished in the U.S. left?"},"content":{"rendered":"

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\u00bfSe esfum\u00f3 la izquierda en Estados Unidos?<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

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Vamos a la tertulia del University College<\/span><\/p>\n

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\u00a0EL moderador interviene: Cuatro movimientos est\u00e1n marcando la discusi\u00f3n pol\u00edtica en Estados Unidos. Como no pertenecen a los partidos, no aceptan \u201cl\u00edneas\u201d y dicen y hacen cuanto piensan porque no les preocupan las encuestas.Hemos hablado del\u00a0 Tea Party ( Febrero 2009),y Coffee Party ( Enero 2010) , pero ignor\u00e1bamos el Drinking Liberally: Marzo, 2003.y \u00a0Drinking Conservatively,\u00a0 Julio, 2010<\/span><\/p>\n

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Estos movimientos dicen estar recuperando los or\u00edgenes que los partidos \u2013Dem\u00f3crata y Republicano\u2013 abandonaron por oportunismo electoral.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Las p\u00e1ginas del Tea Party y del Coffee Party en Facebook tienen m\u00e1s fans que las de los partidos Republicano y Dem\u00f3crata<\/span><\/p>\n

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\u00a0Drinking Liberally \u00a0empez\u00f3 como una \u00a0conversaci\u00f3n de amigos sobre pol\u00edtica en un bar y as\u00ed lo siguen haciendo mensual o semanalmente 247 grupos dentro y fuera de EE.UU. Prometen no respaldar a candidatos o campa\u00f1as espec\u00edficas pero la mayor\u00eda se reconoce progresista, m\u00e1s cercanos al P. Dem\u00f3crata.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Le interrumpe el primero:\u00bf Por qu\u00e9 dices que se ha es fumado la izquierda en EE.UU?<\/span><\/p>\n

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Le contesta el moderador: es un tema complicado, el\u00a0 Drinking Liberally\u00a0 surge en el a\u00f1o 2003 como un movimiento\u00a0 en contra de las guerras de Irak y Afganist\u00e1n que hab\u00eda organizado\u00a0 Bush, tambi\u00e9n los de este movimiento estaban en contra de la reducci\u00f3n de los impuestos que les hab\u00eda concedido a los ricos.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Los simpatizantes del Drinking Liberally, apoyaron en el 2008, la llegada de Obama a la Presidencia, con el deseo\u00a0 de\u00a0 que hiciera cambios de forma r\u00e1pida \u2026pero las cosas como no han sido as\u00ed, est\u00e1n desconcertados por que todav\u00eda siga con \u00a0la guerra de Afganist\u00e1n .Tambi\u00e9n no quedaron satisfechos con la reforma sanitaria, al final Obama se vio obligado a hacer muchos recortes.<\/span><\/p>\n

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El segundo aparece: Ahora entiendo yo toda esa movida electoral en EEUU, al perder fuerza los movimientos progresistas ,un tanto desencantados con la actitud de Obama ,les ha dado fuerza a los conservadores del\u00a0 Tea Party<\/span><\/p>\n

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A pesar de las acusaciones\u00a0 de que Obama es un socialista, para los progresistas el actual presidente de Estados Unidos parece irremediablemente moderado. As\u00ed comentan:<\/span><\/p>\n

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\u00abSe supone que tenemos un presidente progresista. Nosotros no pensamos as\u00ed. Se supone que tenemos la mayor\u00eda en el Congreso, pero no hemos visto casi ninguna acci\u00f3n progresista\u00bb, dijo el izquierdista neoyorquino B C Ashmall-Liversidge, integrante del grupo Drinking Liberally<\/em>, que se re\u00fane semanalmente\u201d. Uno de los del grupo, dijo en la BBC \u00a0\u00abCreo que el movimiento progresista, especialmente el movimiento contra la guerra, ha sido golpeado desde que Obama asumi\u00f3 el cargo\u00bb.<\/span><\/p>\n

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\u00a0Interviene el tercero: la pol\u00edtica no se mueve por idealismos ,Obama cautiv\u00f3 a las masas,. pero se enfrent\u00f3 con la dura realidad de gobernar. Y la crisis econ\u00f3mica le est\u00e1 pasando factura con el desempleo. Por otro lado las encuestas dicen que m\u00e1s de un 15% en EEUU est\u00e1n en situaciones \u00a0econ\u00f3micas muy precarias. Algunos que adquirieron hipotecas, ahora al no poder pagarlas, los bancos\u00a0 les dejan sin domicilio.<\/span><\/p>\n

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\u00abHe vanished in the U.S. left?<\/span>
\nCome to the gathering of University College<\/span><\/p>\n

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The moderator intervenes: Four movements are marking the political discussion in the United States. As do not belong to the party, do not accept \u00ablines\u00bb and say and do as think because they are concerned about the surveys.We have spoken of Tea Party ( February 2009),and Coffee Party ( January 2010) , but know the Drinking Liberally: March, 2003.and Drinking Conservatively, July, 2010<\/span><\/p>\n

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These movements say they recovering the origins that the partys, Democratic and Republican \u2013 left by electoral opportunism<\/span><\/p>\n

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The pages of Tea Party and the Coffee Party in Facebook have more fans than those of the Republican and Democratic parties<\/span><\/p>\n

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Drinking Liberally began as a conversation of friends on policy in a bar and efforts are still doing monthly or weekly 247 groups within and outside of US. Promise not to support candidates or specific campaigns but most recognized progressive, nearest to the P. Democrat<\/span><\/p>\n

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He interrupts the first:\u00bf why say that has vanished left in the U.S.?<\/span><\/p>\n

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Replied the moderator: it is a complicated issue, the Drinking Liberally arises in the year 2003 as a movement against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan had organized Bush, also of the movement were against the reduction of taxes that they had been granted to the rich.<\/span><\/p>\n

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The supporters of Drinking Liberally, supported in 2008, the arrival of Obama to the Presidency, with the desire to make changes quickly \u2026but things as they have not been so, are mystified by that still continue with the war in Afghanistan .Also were not satisfied with health reform, at the end Obama was forced to make many cuts.<\/span><\/p>\n

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The second appears: Now I understand all that move in the U.S. election, losing strength progressive movements, somewhat disappointed with the attitude of Obama, has given strength to the Conservative Party Tea<\/span><\/p>\n

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Despite accusations that Obama is a socialist, for progressives the current president of the United States seems inevitably moderate. So say:<\/span><\/p>\n

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\u00abIt was supposed to have a progressive president. We do not think so. We’re supposed majority in Congress, but we have seen almost no progressive action,\u00bb said the leftist New York Ashmall BC-Liversidge, a member of the group Drinking Liberally, which meets weekly. \u00bb One of the group, told the BBC \u00abI think the progressive movement, especially the antiwar movement has been beaten since Obama took office<\/span><\/p>\n

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Spoke third, the policy is not motivated by idealism, Obama has captivated the masses. but faced with the harsh reality of governing. And the economic crisis is happening with the unemployment bill. On the other hand, the polls show that more than 15% in the U.S. are in precarious financial situations. Some who acquired mortgages, now unable to pay, the banks were left homeless<\/span><\/p>\n

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