{"id":8796,"date":"2010-09-26T18:25:43","date_gmt":"2010-09-26T16:25:43","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.floracantabrica.com\/?p=8796"},"modified":"2010-09-26T18:26:03","modified_gmt":"2010-09-26T16:26:03","slug":"obama-quiere-un-estado-palestino-obama-wants-a-palestinian-state","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.floracantabrica.com\/?p=8796","title":{"rendered":"OBAMA QUIERE UN ESTADO PALESTINO.OBAMA WANTS A PALESTINIAN STATE"},"content":{"rendered":"

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OBAMA QUIERE UN ESTADO PALESTINO<\/span><\/p>\n

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Veamos que nos dicen en el University College<\/span><\/p>\n

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Habla el moderador:\u201d le\u00eda en la prensa que Obama como Presidente de E.U, se arriesg\u00f3 mucho en su discurso en la ONU, deseando que \u00a0los palestinos \u00a0puedan a acudir como Estado independiente a la Asamblea de la ONU, en el pr\u00f3ximo a\u00f1o.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

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Aparece el primero:\u201d Obama, de momento tiene claro una serie de objetivos, que no encajan ni en la pol\u00edtica de los republicanos y ni de los dem\u00f3cratas. Por lo tanto que su popularidad baje es normal.Pero el es consciente que su gran liderazgo, no puede reducirse a ganar un segundo mandato en la presidencia de E.U, y despu\u00e9s dedicar su vida a una fundaci\u00f3n como Clinton.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

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Le interrumpe el segundo:\u201d has tocado un tema trascendental,\u00a0 no digo que Obama se crea un Profeta, pero en \u00e9l hay un sentido mesi\u00e1nico, y ve la ca\u00f3tica situaci\u00f3n a la que ha llegado el pueblo americano despu\u00e9s del 11-S.<\/span><\/p>\n

Pero claro su visi\u00f3n, no es compartida por muchos ciudadanos americanos, que presumen de ser<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0la potencia militar mayor del mundo y tener los mejores ej\u00e9rcitos y no tiene una sanidad para todos, como sucede en muchos pa\u00edses europeos. Tan poco entiende \u00a0\u00a0Obama, por qu\u00e9 los pobres tiene que resignarse a serlo y si son negros con mucha m\u00e1s raz\u00f3n ( seg\u00fan algunos\u00a0 han mejorado,\u2026 pues \u00a0ya no son esclavos).\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

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Aparece el tercero:\u201d A lo mejor est\u00e1s idealizando a Obama, y sus preocupaciones a nivel de pol\u00edtica internacional, est\u00e1n en funci\u00f3n de ser nuevamente elegido como presidente\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

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Le interrumpe el cuarto: \u201ces natural que quiera tener un segundo mandato\u2026pero \u00bfa qu\u00e9 precio? Si es por figurar y tener una jubilaci\u00f3n sosegada, pude ser.\u00a0 Pero no es as\u00ed, el ve las grandes amenazas que se cierne sobre los E.U al contemplar los a grav\u00edsimos desequilibrios mundiales.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

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Interviene el quinto:\u201d has dado en clavo, se puede armar una muy gorda y Obama teme esa situaci\u00f3n. Su presi\u00f3n sobre Israel para que termine de una vez con la construcci\u00f3n en los territorios ocupados, les est\u00e1 recordando que est\u00e1n en la ilegalidad, con la apropiaci\u00f3n indebida de lo que no les pertenece, con las consiguiente condenas internacionales. Y esa situaci\u00f3n se tiene que terminar si queremos caminar hacia la paz \u201c<\/span><\/p>\n

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Entonces el sexto ,que hasta el momento no hab\u00eda intervenido sentencia:\u201d Son m\u00e1s de 300.000 colonos que est\u00e1n establecidos en los territorios ocupados en el 1967, y desalojar a toda esa gente es \u00a0casi imposible\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

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\u00a0Vuelve el moderador: \u201cObama tiene grandes desaf\u00edos pol\u00edticos a nivel internacional y su talla, si en verdad la tiene, se ver\u00e1 ah\u00ed\u2026.As\u00ed como a los del pent\u00e1gono les ha dicho, que basta de informes de la guerra de Afganistan, lo \u00fanico que quiere es buscar la salida m\u00e1s digna en el 2011,y \u00a0esa postura es la que le ha trasmitido a \u00a0Benjamin Netanyahu.En \u00e9ste hay, \u00a0creo buenos deseos, pero tal vez no tiene fuerza pol\u00edtica para tomar una decisi\u00f3n tan dr\u00e1stica. Pero aunque OBama\u00a0 ve esta situaci\u00f3n, considera que los desarreglos internos entre los jud\u00edos, aunque sean alarmantes, merece la pena intentar el desalojo de los territorios ocupados con tal que los palestinos se sienten en las Naciones Unidas\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

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Le interrumpe \u00a0\u00a0el segundo:\u201d el mundo vive una guerra religiosa, que no es la convencional, y las armas, se esta demostrando que juegan muy poco , m\u00e1s bien avivan el fuego de la guerra. Hay que buscar alternativas mas inteligentes ,,aunque parezcan en un primer momento disparatadas, Obama sabe muy bien que la pacificaci\u00f3n del conflicto Jud\u00edo-Palestino le da un bal\u00f3n de oxigeno sobre Afganist\u00e1n.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

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Vuelve el tercero:\u201d claro \u00e9l se da cuenta, de dos aspectos diferentes, aunque est\u00e9n unidos, los talibanes no son Al Quaeda aunque colaboren por la est\u00fapida idea de Bush de invadir Afganistan en busca de Bin laden.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

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Vuelve el cuarto:\u201d A Obama las costumbre de los talibanes como llevar el burka las mujeres y que no las escolaricen le tiene que disgustar, pero ellos no est\u00e1n pensando en poner bombas en EE.UU, por ello su retirada militar es esencial..es un aviso de dejarlos con sus costumbres; pues el no puede imponerles su sistema pol\u00edtico, que tambi\u00e9n es opinable.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

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Aparece el primero:\u201d ahora entiendo porque \u00e9l dice hasta la saciedad que no est\u00e1 en guerra con el Islam, y ve con buenos ojos la mezquita en las cercan\u00edas de la zona cero.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

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Interviene el moderador :\u201d hoy ha sido muy densa la tertulia\u00a0 lo dejamos ya para el pr\u00f3ximo d\u00eda\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

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OBAMA WANTS A PALESTINIAN STATE
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\nSpeak the moderator: \u00abI read in the press that Obama as U.S. President, he risked a lot in his speech at the UN, hoping that the Palestinians can go as an independent state to the UN General Assembly in the next year.\u00bb<\/span><\/div>\n

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The first:\u00bb Obama, at the moment has clear a series of objectives, which do not fit or in the policy of the republicans and neither of the democrats. Therefore that its popularity lower is normal.But he is aware that his great leadership, cannot be reduced to win a second term in the presidency of E. U, and after dedicating his life to a foundation as Clinton<\/span><\/p>\n

Stopped the second: \u00abyou have touched an important issue, not saying that Obama is belive a Prophet, but he is a messianic sense and sees the chaotic situation that has reached the American people after the 11-S<\/span><\/p>\n

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But clear your vision is not shared by many American citizens who claim to be the world’s largest military power and have the best armies and have no health care for all, as in many European countries. Obama does not understand why the poor have to resign themselves to be and if they are black with more reason (\u00a0 according to some have improved, as they are slaves).\u00bb\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

It appears the third: \u00abMaybe you’re idolizing Obama, and their concerns at the level of international politics, are a function of being re-elected as president\u00bb<\/span><\/div>\n

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He interrupts the fourth, \u00abit is natural to want to have a second term … but at what price? If it is to have a quiet retirement, I could be. Not so, he sees the major threats looming over the U.S. to contemplate a very serious global imbalances. \u00ab<\/span><\/p>\n

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The fifth:\u00bb has given in nail, the situation is dangerous and Obama fears that situation. Its pressure on Israel to end once and for the construction in the occupied territories, \u00a0is recalling that are in the illegality, with the misappropriation of what they do not belong to them, with the consequent international condemnation. And this situation has to end if we want walking toward the peace \u00ab<\/span><\/p>\n

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Then the sixth, which so far had not spoken sentence: \u00abThere are over 300,000 settlers who are established in the territories occupied in 1967, and leave all these people is almost impossible.<\/span><\/p>\n

Becomes the moderator, \u00abObama has<\/strong> great political challenges at the international level and stature, if indeed it does, will be there …. Just as the Pentagon has told them, that simply reporting the war in Afghanistan, all you want is to look more dignified exit in 2011, and that position is that he has given to Benjamin Netanyahu. , But may not have political strength to take a drastic decision. But while Obama sees this, sees the internal derangement of the Jews, even alarming, it is worth trying the evacuation of the occupied territories so that Palestinians have a seat at the United Nations \u00ab<\/span><\/p>\n

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He interrupts the second:\u00bb the world lives a religious war, which is not the conventional, and weapons, is demonstrating that play very little , rather fuelling the flames of war. We have to seek alternatives more intelligent ,,although they appear in the first time nonsensical, Obama knows very well that the pacification of the conflict Jewish-Palestinian gives you a ball of oxygen on Afghanistan<\/span><\/p>\n

Becomes the third, \u00abi make clear, two different aspects, but are united, the Taliban are not Al-Qaeda but collaborate by Bush stupid idea to invade Afghanistan to find Bin Laden.\u00bb<\/span><\/p>\n

Becomes the fourth:\u00bb TO Obama the custom of the Taliban and carry the burka women and not Allow go to school, will have to dislike, but they are not thinking in putting bombs in USA, by its military withdrawal is essential..is a notice to leave with their customs; because he cannot impose its political system, which also is debatable.\u00bb<\/span><\/p>\n

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Appears first, \u00abNow I understand why he says over and over again is not at war with Islam, and welcomed the mosque in the vicinity of ground zero.\u00bb<\/span>
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