{"id":16026,"date":"2012-01-09T18:24:50","date_gmt":"2012-01-09T16:24:50","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.floracantabrica.com\/?p=16026"},"modified":"2012-01-09T18:24:50","modified_gmt":"2012-01-09T16:24:50","slug":"arjo-klamer-y-la-salida-del-euro-arjo-klamer-and-out-of-the-euro","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.floracantabrica.com\/?p=16026","title":{"rendered":"Arjo Klamer y la salida del Euro. Arjo Klamer and out of the Euro."},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.floracantabrica.com%2F%3Fp%3D16026&amp;count=none&amp;lang=es&amp;via=lorencincoreses&amp;related=Mujerverdosa&amp;text=Arjo Klamer y la salida del Euro. Arjo Klamer and out of the Euro. - Flora Cant\u00e1brica\" class=\"twitter-share-button\">Tweet<\/a><\/p><p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\">Arjo Klamer y la salida del Euro. Arjo Klamer and out of the Euro.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\">&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-16028\" title=\"image002\" src=\"http:\/\/www.floracantabrica.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/image00254.jpg\" alt=\"image002\" width=\"295\" height=\"330\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.floracantabrica.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/image00254.jpg 295w, http:\/\/www.floracantabrica.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/image00254-268x300.jpg 268w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 295px) 100vw, 295px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\">&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><strong> <\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><strong>Vamos a la tertulia del University College<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><strong>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><strong><br \/>\n<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><strong> <\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><strong>Etnopaisaje.com<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><strong>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><strong><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-16031\" title=\"image002\" src=\"http:\/\/www.floracantabrica.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/image0028.gif\" alt=\"image002\" width=\"787\" height=\"591\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.floracantabrica.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/image0028.gif 787w, http:\/\/www.floracantabrica.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/image0028-300x225.gif 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 787px) 100vw, 787px\" \/><br \/>\n<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\">&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\">&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-16027\" title=\"image001\" src=\"http:\/\/www.floracantabrica.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/image001.jpg\" alt=\"image001\" width=\"650\" height=\"330\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.floracantabrica.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/image001.jpg 650w, http:\/\/www.floracantabrica.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/01\/image001-300x152.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 650px) 100vw, 650px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><strong>Quite happy without the euro<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><strong>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><strong>Qu\u00e9 feliz sin el Euro<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><strong>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;<br \/>\n<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><strong>Interviene el moderador<\/strong>: <strong>Klamer, que es profesor de Econom\u00eda de Arte y Cultura en la Universidad Erasmus<\/strong> en Rotterdam, dice que la \u00a0uni\u00f3n pol\u00edtica \u00a0se debe formar ahora,con una mayor coordinaci\u00f3n fiscal y una mejor pol\u00edtica social que apoye al euro. Sin embargo, <em>\u00abhay demasiada heterogeneidad. Los pa\u00edses son muy diferentes. Los pa\u00edses est\u00e1n demasiado apegados a su propia soberan\u00eda \u00ab,<\/em>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\">&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\">&#8230;..<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\">&#8212;-<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\">. <strong>Una uni\u00f3n monetaria sin una uni\u00f3n pol\u00edtica es imposible de mantener<\/strong>,\u00bb dijo el economista Arjo Klamer hace 20 a\u00f1os. Y a medida que Europa se esfuerza por hacer frente a la crisis del euro, los pa\u00edses de la UE siguen siendo demasiado diferentes para unirse pol\u00edticamente<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\">&#8230;&#8230;<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><strong>Klamer dice que los pa\u00edses europeos tienen dificultades para trabajar juntos en temas internacionales<\/strong> <em>\u00abEn este momento es inconcebible que Gran Breta\u00f1a renunciar a sus derechos y tambi\u00e9n de Francia. Alemania ser\u00e1 muy poderoso. Simplemente hay demasiado que impide que Europa se convierta en una uni\u00f3n pol\u00edtica \u00ab.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><em>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><em><br \/>\n<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><strong>De acuerdo con Klamer, la mejor estrategia para Grecia ser\u00eda devaluar su propia moneda<\/strong>, para hacer de su pa\u00eds mucho m\u00e1s barato, y usar eso como el comienzo de un nuevo esfuerzo para organizar la actividad comercial en las condiciones que les permitan vender y exportar<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\">&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\">\u2026\u2026\u2026\u2026\u2026\u2026\u2026\u2026.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><strong>Klamer dice aferrarse al euro con todos los sacrificios, renunciando a los intereses nacionales en nombre de los europeos es <em>\u00abun mensaje que es muy dif\u00edcil de vender en \u00e9poca de elecciones.<\/em><\/strong><strong> <\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\">\u2026\u2026\u2026\u2026\u2026\u2026\u2026..<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><em><strong>As\u00ed que si usted camina alrededor de Bruselas, te sientes como la Uni\u00f3n Europea es una realidad<\/strong><\/em><em>. Pero tan pronto como est\u00e9 fuera de Bruselas y caminar \u00a0por \u00a0los pa\u00edses de \u00a0el resto de Europa, entonces se ve que Bruselas est\u00e1 muy lejos de la Uni\u00f3n \u00ab.<\/em><em> <\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\">&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><strong>\u00abEl euro<\/strong><strong> hace a los comerciantes perezosos<\/strong> porque tienen la tendencia a hacer negocios con los pa\u00edses de la eurozona, para vender sus productos a los griegos y los italianos. Esto significa que no se aventuran en los mercados de futuros en Brasil y China. Esto exige de un enfoque totalmente diferente, en el que se trata de riesgos de divisas. \u00ab<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\">\u2026\u2026\u2026\u2026\u2026..<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><strong>Involved<\/strong><strong> <\/strong><strong>moderator<\/strong>: Klamer, who is a professor of the Economics of Art and Culture at Erasmus University in Rotterdam, says a political union should be formed now, because stronger fiscal coordination and better social policy would support the euro. There is too much heterogeneity. The countries are too different. Countries are too attached to their own sovereignty,\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\">&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\">A monetary union without political union is impossible to maintain,\u201d economist Arjo Klamer said 20 years ago. And as Europe struggles to deal with the euro crisis, the EU countries are still too different to politically unite, Klamer told RT.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\">\u2026\u2026.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\">Klamer says European countries have a hard time working together on international issues. <em>\u201cAt the moment it is inconceivable that Britain will give up their rights and also France is not even thinking of giving <\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><em>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;<br \/>\n<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><em>that up. Germany will be too powerful. There\u2019s simply too much that prevents Europe from becoming a political union.\u201d<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\">According to Klamer, the best strategy for Greece would be to devalue their own currency, to make their country much cheaper, and use that as the beginning of a new effort to organize commercial activity in conditions which would enable them to sell and export<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\">&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\">Klamer says holding on to the euro with everyone making sacrifices, forsaking national interests in the name of European ones is <em>\u201ca message that\u2019s very hard to sell in election time<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><em> <\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><em>So if you walk around Brussels, you feel like the European Union is for real. But as soon as you\u2019re away from Brussels and walk around in the country in the rest of Europe, then you see that Brussels is far away from that and not really the reality that people live with.\u201d<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><em>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><em><br \/>\n<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\">\u00abThe euro makes traders lazy because they have the tendency to do business with the countries of the eurozone, to sell their wares to the Greeks and the Italians. This means they don&#8217;t venture out into upcoming markets in Brazil and China. That calls for a whole different approach, where you are dealing with currency risks.\u00bb<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: large;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Tweet&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.. Arjo Klamer y la salida del Euro. Arjo Klamer and out of the Euro. &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.. Vamos a la tertulia del University College &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.. Etnopaisaje.com &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; Quite happy without the euro &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. Qu\u00e9 feliz sin el Euro &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; Interviene el moderador: Klamer, que es profesor de Econom\u00eda de Arte y Cultura [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[5],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-16026","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-etnopaisaje"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.floracantabrica.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/16026","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.floracantabrica.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.floracantabrica.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.floracantabrica.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.floracantabrica.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=16026"}],"version-history":[{"count":6,"href":"http:\/\/www.floracantabrica.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/16026\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":16035,"href":"http:\/\/www.floracantabrica.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/16026\/revisions\/16035"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.floracantabrica.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=16026"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.floracantabrica.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=16026"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.floracantabrica.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=16026"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}