{"id":10526,"date":"2011-01-15T15:18:07","date_gmt":"2011-01-15T13:18:07","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.floracantabrica.com\/?p=10526"},"modified":"2011-01-15T19:20:52","modified_gmt":"2011-01-15T17:20:52","slug":"fue-israel-la-causa-de-los-atentados-en-las-torres-gemelas","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.floracantabrica.com\/?p=10526","title":{"rendered":"Fue Israel la causa de los atentados en las torres gemelas?.Israel was the cause of the attacks on the twin towers?"},"content":{"rendered":"

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Fue Israel la causa de los atentados en las torres gemelas?<\/span><\/p>\n

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Vamos a la tertulia del University College<\/span><\/p>\n

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Interviene el moderador: Anthony Pagden, autor de Mundos <\/em>en guerra, hoy es entrevistado por el Pais y en sus opiniones sobre Al Qaeda , se deja ver el conflicto Israeli, al que los Norteamericanos nunca hicieron alusi\u00f3n. Siempre se han referido a la enemistad del Islam con Occidente. Celebro que Anthony Pagden, haya encontrado en los atentados de Al Qaeda, el apoyo de Occidente a Israel.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Asi dice..\u00a0\u00a0 \u201cPero el motivo principal de enojo para los musulmanes y, por tanto, el m\u00e1ximo atractivo del islam radical, es el Estado de Israel. Hablando claro, los musulmanes odian a Estados Unidos porque Estados Unidos -y, por extensi\u00f3n, todo el mundo occidental no musulm\u00e1n- est\u00e1 considerado, equivocadamente, un amigo incondicional de Israel. Hasta que se ofrezca alguna soluci\u00f3n a ese conflicto, los radicales musulmanes seguir\u00e1n atacando lo que ellos perciben como Occidente. Creo que, por ejemplo, a quienes colocaron las bombas en Madrid y Londres no les importa en absoluto el destino de los palestinos. Pero la lucha entre Palestina e Israel es un pretexto para dar rienda suelta a sus frustraciones contenidas por sentirse pobres y marginados en una cultura que les es ajena.\u201d<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

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Interviene el primero:Nosotros en nuestra tertulia hemos comentado que la Guerra de Afganist\u00e1n no terminar\u00e1 hasta que Obama acepte las resoluciones de la condena de la ONU por el terrorismo de Israel contra los palestinos.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Interrumpe el segundo: Anthony Pagden en su entrevista analiza el tema de la guerra de Afganist\u00e1n, que \u00a0se convertir\u00e1 en otro Vietnam,como consecuencia de la pol\u00edtica de EE UU. Me gusta \u00a0que denuncie su arbitrariedades, \u00a0y no haga propaganda como otros de sus deseos de llevar la democracia a todas las partes del mundo. Los Norteamericanos tiene distintas varas de medir, que Anthony Pagden lo pone muy en evidencia cuando dice..\u201d Para m\u00ed, existe un fallo fundamental en el razonamiento que subyace tras gran parte de la pol\u00edtica exterior estadounidense (y, por desgracia, incluso en la de su presidente Barack Obama): que mientras un pa\u00eds sea estable e interese a Estados Unidos, su forma de gobierno no constituye un problema. Aunque sea inestable, mientras se encuentre lejos de la costa estadounidense y no suponga una amenaza para sus intereses, puede ser acosado diplom\u00e1ticamente, pero por lo dem\u00e1s se le deja en paz. No se ha producido una intervenci\u00f3n estadounidense en Zimbabue y es poco probable que la haya en Costa de Marfil. Sin embargo, una vez que la inestabilidad de un Estado amenaza a Estados Unidos o sus aliados, la manera de lidiar con ello es \u00abun cambio de r\u00e9gimen\u00bb, instaurando la democracia por la fuerza, y una vez que se ha logrado (y esto generalmente significa, como ha ocurrido en Afganist\u00e1n e Irak unas elecciones ama\u00f1adas) retirarse lo antes posible.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

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Interviene el tercero: Pagden, analiza tambi\u00e9n el radicalismo Isl\u00e1mico en los j\u00f3venes, y denuncia en su acercamiento una frustraci\u00f3n personal, en el seno de una \u00a0sociedad occidental opulenta pero no para todos..as\u00ed dice..\u201d muchos se han visto arrastrados al islam radical, al igual que los j\u00f3venes furiosos y marginados de Europa se vieron atra\u00eddos en los a\u00f1os sesenta y setenta por el marxismo, no tanto por su contenido, sobre el que sab\u00edan muy poco, al igual que la mayor\u00eda de los yihadistas musulmanes parecen conocer muy poco sobre el islam, sino porque ofrec\u00eda un medio sencillo y violento para atacar a quienes consideraban por varias razones responsables de sus penurias.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

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Israel was the cause of the attacks on the twin towers?
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Spoke moderator: Anthony Pagden, author of Worlds in war, is interviewed today by the EL Pais<\/strong>\u00a0 and its views on Al Qaeda, it reveals Israeli conflict, which the Americans were never mentioned. Have always referred to the enmity between Islam and the West. Delighted that Anthony Paguen, has found in the bombing of Al Qaeda, the West’s support of Israel.<\/span><\/p>\n

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So says .. \u00abBut the main reason for anger to Muslims and, therefore, the maximum appeal of radical Islam, the State of Israel. Simply speaking, the Muslims hate America because America-and, by extension, all non-Muslim-Western world is considered, wrongly, an unconditional friend of Israel. Until you offer any solution to this conflict, Muslim radicals will continue to attack what they perceive as the West. I think, for example, people who planted the bombs in Madrid and London do not care at all the fate of the Palestinians. But the struggle between Palestine and Israel is a pretext to give vent to their frustrations felt restrained by poor and marginalized in a culture that is foreign to them. \u00ab<\/span><\/p>\n

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Spoke first: We have discussed in our gathering that the war in Afghanistan will not end until Obama accept the resolutions of the UN condemnation of terrorism by Israel against the Palestinians.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Interrupted the second, Anthony Pagden in his interview discusses the issue of the war in Afghanistan, which will become another Vietnam, as a result of U.S. policy. I like to terminate its arbitrariness, and not like others to advertise their desire to bring democracy to all parts of the world. Americans have different yardsticks, Anthony Pagden puts it very clear when he says .. \u00abFor me, there is a fundamental flaw in the reasoning behind much of U.S. foreign policy (and, unfortunately, even in Barack Obama its president), that while a country is stable and interest to the United States, its form of government is not a problem. Although it is unstable, while you are away from the U.S. coast and do not pose a threat to their interests, may be harassed diplomatically, but otherwise it is left in peace. There has been no U.S. intervention in Zimbahue and is unlikely to have been in the Ivory Coast. However, once the instability of a state threat to the United States or its allies, how to deal with it is \u00abregime change\u00bb, establish democracy by force, and once that has been made (and this usually means, as has happened in Afghanistan and Iraq rigged elections) be removed as soon as possible.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Involving the third, Pagden, also discusses Islamic radicalism among young people, and denounces in his approach a personal frustration in the midst of affluent Western society but not for all .. and says .. \u00abMany have been drawn to Islam radical, as angry and marginalized young people were attracted to Europe in the sixties and seventies by Marxism, not only for its contents, about which they knew little, like most Muslim jihadists seem to know very little about Islam, but because it offered a simple and violent to attack those who felt for several reasons responsible for their plight.<\/span><\/p>\n

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