{"id":9138,"date":"2010-10-26T20:39:18","date_gmt":"2010-10-26T18:39:18","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.floracantabrica.com\/?page_id=9138"},"modified":"2010-10-26T20:43:30","modified_gmt":"2010-10-26T18:43:30","slug":"9138","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"http:\/\/www.floracantabrica.com\/?page_id=9138","title":{"rendered":"LAS GUERRAS CONTRA LOS MUSULMANES? O ENTRE MUSULMANES? EN IRAK.THE WAR AGAINST MUSLIMS? OR BETWEEN MUSLIMS? IN IRAQ"},"content":{"rendered":"

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LAS GUERRAS CONTRA LOS MUSULMANES? O ENTRE MUSULMANES? EN IRAK<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Vamos a la tertulia del University College<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

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El moderador interviene: los documentos secretos Wikileaks, ponen al descubierto, detalles de la guerra de Irak desconocidos, hoy me llama la atenci\u00f3n la noticia de un peri\u00f3dico que dice\u2026 \u201cIrak: la atroz guerra entre sun\u00edes y chi\u00edes se libr\u00f3 al margen de EE UU. Una guerra dentro de la guerra. Los papeles sobre Irak filtrados por Wikileaks revelan las luchas sectarias entre chi\u00edes y sun\u00edes por hacerse con el control de un Irak fragmentado. Una batalla interna al margen de los estadounidenses<\/span><\/p>\n

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Le interrumpe el primero: no entiendo nada cuando me hablas de sunies y chi\u00edes, me lo puedes explicar un poco.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

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Le contesta el moderador:es un tema para dedicarle una a tertulia, pero hoy te voy hacer un breve resumen: son etnias religiosas descendientes todos de Mahoma ,en Irak cuando gobernaba Sadan Husein que era sunita,(los sunies estaban minor\u00eda) controlaba a los chiitas con mano dura.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Los Sunitas representan aproximadamente el 80% de la poblaci\u00f3n musulmana, mientras que los Chi\u00edtas el 15%. Entre aquellos pa\u00edses en donde los Sunitas son mayor\u00eda se encuentran: Egipto, Arabia Saudita, Jordania, Siria y Afganist\u00e1n, mientras que los pa\u00edses con mayor\u00eda Chi\u00edta son: Ir\u00e1n, Irak, Bahrein y sur de L\u00edbano. Es decir, los pa\u00edses con m\u00e1s influencia y liderazgo en el medio oriente son Egipto y Arabia Saudita del lado Sunita e Ir\u00e1n del lado Chi\u00edta).<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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Saddam Hussein \u00a0era Sunita y controlaba el pa\u00eds con mano dura y por medio de un r\u00e9gimen laico<\/span><\/p>\n

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Al mencionar estos conflictos observamos como actualmente Ir\u00e1n es el mayor responsable de los enfrentamientos entre Chiitas y Sunitas, cuenta con un potencial financiero (reservas de petr\u00f3leo)que le permiten sustentar grupos terroristas y estimular la violencia en el medio oriente y por lo visto no hay una fuerza mayor en la regi\u00f3n que pueda hacerle frente<\/span><\/p>\n

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Interviene el segundo:Los documentos Wikileaks \u00a0\u00a0destapan una\u00a0 batalla sangrienta entre sun\u00edes y chi\u00edes que ha ido minando a ambos bandos y extenuando a la poblaci\u00f3n. Una situaci\u00f3n de fondo en la que los americanos poco ten\u00edan que ver<\/span><\/p>\n

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Vuelve el primero: muchas gracias ya me voy enterando de algo, pero lo que no entiendo es c\u00f3mo los americanos que tienen tanto poder de informaci\u00f3n con la CIA no le dieron importancia a estos movimientos religiosos<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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Le contesta el tercero: ellos se creen los due\u00f1os del mundo por su gran potencial militar y se vi\u00f3 con la euforia de Bush \u00a0a los \u00a0pocos d\u00edas de derrotar al ejercito de Sadan Hussein y el desconcierto que les entr\u00f3 despu\u00e9s \u00a0con la insurgencia.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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Aparece el cuarto: y estoy harto de o\u00edr hablar de la lucha contra la insurgencia, pero ser\u00e1n cretinos los Norteamericanos,cuando han sido ellos los que la crearon\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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EL quinto dice: estoy de acuerdo contigo, \u00bfa qu\u00e9 viene la estupidez de lo Judios de su lucha contra la insurgencia palestina?, \u00bfno son ellos los responsables?.. \u00a0\u00a1 est\u00e1n edificando casas en los territorios ocupados!…, que todo el mundo les dice que se vayan, pero la ONU, se lo recomienda, pero no les obliga con graves sanciones. Si les bombardearan las fabricas de armamentos por ej, al d\u00eda siguiente abr\u00edan todas sus fronteras y se ofrecer\u00edan \u00a0a ponerles a los palestinos alfombras \u00a0por donde pisaran.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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THE WAR AGAINST MUSLIMS? OR BETWEEN MUSLIMS? IN IRAQ<\/strong><\/div>\n

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The moderator intervenes: the secret documents Wikileaks, expose details of the Iraq war unknown, today discussed the news of a newspaper that says … \u00abIraq: the brutal war between Sunnis and Shiites fought outside the U.S.. A war within a war. Iraq Papers leaked by Wikileaks reveal sectarian strife between Shiites and Sunnis to take control of a fragmented Iraq. An internal battle outside the U.S<\/span><\/p>\n

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top first: I do not understand when I talk about Sunnis and Shiites, can you explain me a bit.<\/span><\/p>\n

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The moderator replied: it is an issue to spend one to chat, but today I’m going to summarize: they are all ethnic religious descendants of Muhammad, Sadan Hussein ruled Iraq when he was a Sunni (the minority Sunnis were) controlled the Shiites tough.<\/span><\/p>\n

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\u00a0Sunnis represent about 80% of the Muslim population, while 15% Shia. Among those countries where the Sunnis are the majority are: Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria and Afghanistan, while the Shiite-majority countries are: Iran, Iraq, Bahrain and southern Lebanon. That is, countries with more influence and leadership in the Middle East are Egypt and Saudi Arabia Sunni side and Iran’s Shiite side<\/span><\/p>\n

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Saddam Hussein was Sunni and controlled the country with an iron fist and by a secular regime<\/span><\/p>\n

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By mentioning these conflicts look like now Iran is the most responsible of clashes between Shiites and Sunnis, has a financial strength (oil reserves) that allow you to support terrorist groups and encouraging violence in the Middle East and apparently no a major force in the region can cope<\/span><\/p>\n

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Involving the second: Wikileaks documents uncover a bloody battle between Sunnis and Shiites that has been eroding on both sides, and exhausted the population. Background situation in which the Americans had little to do<\/span><\/p>\n

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Return first: thank you very much and I’m hearing about something, but I do not understand is how Americans have so much power that the CIA information was not given importance to these religious movements<\/span><\/p>\n

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\u00a0Comes the fourth, and I’m sick of hearing about the fight against insurgents, but Americans are morons when it was they who created the<\/span><\/p>\n

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The fifth said: I agree with you, what is the stupidity of the Jews in their struggle against Palestinian insurgency?, Are they not responsible? .. Are building homes in the occupied territories! … Everyone tells them to go, but the UN recommends it, but does not require heavy sanctions. If they bomb the factories armament, the day after opening all borders and put an offer to the Palestinians carpets.<\/span><\/p>\n

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